Supercharger, Turbo, N/A

I dont think I've seen this yet on the forums, its been on every forum I've seen even the ones that dont have to do with cars aha. Searched it and blah blah, And im not sure if it goes into the poll dance section cause im not realy looking to buy any items but yea. Its kinda been a debate that people have disputes about all the time, but its never realy put to rest.

So yea Supercharger, Turbo, or N/A?

Opions, personal choices, everything going on in that head of yours.

many people like being super-naturally aspirated

dual charge setup!
with ITBS!

danhtao wrote:dual charge setup!
with ITBS!

its called twincharging, and damn, w/ itbs thats all 3 combined

i heard it referred to as dual charge as well as twin charge.
close enough, i got my point across

is it realy worth twin charging a car lol

HimynameisJon wrote:is it realy worth twin charging a car lol

is it worth having sexual relations with two really hot women at the same time?

depends..

nicely put tho.

first of all, it all depends on what the end purpose of the car will be, and what your personal preference is. natural, supernatural, and boost have all been covered many times and debated over and over again in many forums. that's probably why we don't really cover that here. it's an endless and pointless debate. i like all sorts, but i've always been partial to naturally aspirated. i've driven in turbo cars as well. you can make them all fast, but i prefer the simplicity, and raw energy, of a properly tuned NA engine.

well, lost another 2 cents...

well, N/A can be an expensive form of power, but a few well thought power mods can yield a fun SMOG LEGAL ride. I have played with both ideas for my supra, just drop in the turbo motor, or up the compression a bit and NOS it, still thinking actually... it is really just what you are looking for, and the money you have. supers are a constant drag on the engine, but you have no lag, way less heat (since it is belt driven, no exhaust side) etc. etc. the opinions are endless...

3.0trd wrote:well, N/A can be an expensive form of power, but a few well thought power mods can yield a fun SMOG LEGAL ride. I have played with both ideas for my supra, just drop in the turbo motor, or up the compression a bit and NOS it, still thinking actually... it is really just what you are looking for, and the money you have. supers are a constant drag on the engine, but you have no lag, way less heat (since it is belt driven, no exhaust side) etc. etc. the opinions are endless...

dont wanna be a dick.. but some supers do have lag. such as the procharger. there is a form for each funtion. saying which one is better is rediculious

anywho.... like dan sayd.. FTW.!!!!! go supercharged turbo charge with itb's sqeezing 25 shots to spol it all up... and you wont have to choose... why would you have to choose when you can have them all. it's not like their's really girls and are jealous of each other..

or if you win the lottery you can do it all. high compression, twin charged engine with nitrous.

i dont care to much to own one myself, i just wanna build/drive one at lease once.

lol, build that gze then

Put 20V itbs on it then strap a turbo, then build a plenum and add nitrous ports to the plenum

Road&Ster wrote:or if you win the lottery you can do it all. high compression, twin charged engine with nitrous.

High compression and boost are essentially double negatives. you need lower comp to get more of your forced air into the chamber. and as far as supers, I was refering to screw type, not centrifugal, which is essentially a belt driven turbo, needs time to get the pressure up to the intake etc.

not sure if you knew, but the mazdaspeed 6 and audi have high compression turbo engines thanks to their direct injection designs. diesels have also used high compression turbo setups for quite a long time now.

diesels would prolly be the best way to incorporate everything.

i was supercharged with procharger it was fun as hell smoked alot of turbo cars. now iam gonna go turbo for more power. and there is nothing wrong with turboing a high compression engine its all in the tune. and all diesel come with high compresion thats how the fuel is ignited. high compression + low boost = lots of power per lbs. for example honda h22 stock compression stock block with 440 injector 255lbs fuel pump and engine managment with gt40 (blowzilla) at 15psi with a good tune will put out about 450hp to the wheel.

diesel is high compression by nature, those blocks are heavy but oh the torque

honda is supposedly releasing diesels by 2009/2010, so the honda guys will experience the opposite, 110 hp & 160 ft/lbs...lol

I was NOT talking about diesels, they are compression ignition, they have to be high comp, what I meant was gasoline and high comp forced induction doesn't work well, more compression means less can get into the cylinder, and its unnecessary if your boosting, the forced induction does the filling for you. more space for air=more air=more explosion. it also lowers the chance of detonation. As for the Mazda and Audi, do you know the actual comp ratio? I didn't know they were considered high comp turbos, curious to know the actual spec. Older turbos usually ran 8.5, or 9.0 ish to 1, when, I think high comp I'm talking 10 5 or 11 to 1.

i heard the new audi was around 11:2.1 give our take but thats high. guys out in texas run turbo h22 with 12:5.1 compression and turbo charged pushing 700whp and daily driven. high compression + force induction = big boom meaning more power per lbs. iam currenly building a high compression sohc vtec engine that will be turbo charged. my goal is 250 at 8psi and 400 at about 25psi. the high compression will help big time du to the small turbo that i will be using.

Well let me know how that turns out, cause I'm still debating on turbocharging my 20v...

Panda AE86 wrote:Well let me know how that turns out, cause I'm still debating on turbocharging my 20v...

you ST 20v should be fine to turbo, many people say that the st 20v rods are similar to the gze rods

hm, fair enough, I will have to do some research and hopefully see one in action some day, still don't believe it though.